Now i feel at home!

Well…pretty close there Big Guy! Gana’s whole purpose to to “PROTECT” its members,even if…some of them are known to produce CRAP!

Thats why Gana’s hot on putting out a so-called cleaning BULLetin. To help protect & shield those who are not producing “good” quality heat treated glass!

They know & are very aware of the problem,dont think for a minute they dont!

We can’t expect “perfect” surface conditions all the time,but…some of the crap being produced is just peppered with fabricating debris,and totally unacceptable!

Funny thing is…it isn’t a problem with all fabricators just some.So why can some get it right & others dont? Simple housecleaning is the answer so easy but obviously a tall order for those that continue to deliever less then desirable heat treated glass!

GANA is about so much more than heat-treated/tempered glass production.

Why is that funny – there are quality window cleaners and poor window cleaners; clean restaurants and dirty restaurants; universities with good reputations and those with bad; and on-and-on-and-on.

To quote Craig Aldrich (on so many other posted subjects), “Easier said than done.

Ever work in a production environment (I have)?

I don’t dispute the root-cause issue, but if there are no real consequences, your Dan Fields quotes here are just preaching to the choir (yes, I know we get newbies and those not in-the-loop…)

QUIZ &QUOTE Wrote=llaczko;531]GANA is about so much more than heat-treated/tempered glass production.[/QUOTE]

Humm…then your more shallow then i thought? Gana is about more then just heat treated glass procedures but…please explain whats a “hotter” topic then that right now?

As for preaching to the choir yes! Its a continual thing those that have heard it before know but…it has to be repeated over & over because yes…there are always new folks unaware of the issue’s.

As for your analogies pretaining to WC’ers,Restaurants,schools etc. the one thing you forgot(which is typical) is…you have choices!!

[COLOR=“blue”]I’ll assume the name-calling and sarcasm (your statement below) is a result of your feeling as though you can’t carry on a reasonable and logical discussion/debate.

Why change the subject so many times without fully explaining your position?[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=“Blue”]Why am I shallow? I made a statement that GANA is an organization representing a HUGE world-wide glass industry, including glazing contractors, float plant operators, manufacturers of products to support the industry, and yes both good and evil producers of tempered products (not just architectural, at that.) Sounds deeper than your retort (sorry – big word hurt head – reply.)[/COLOR]

[COLOR=“blue”]What did I forget? That’s the point I made – one can choose between good and bad service and good and bad products.

Yes; one has a choice – just like a builder has a choice in not accepting defective glass. Isn’t that also part of Dan’s message you use to educate builders and homeowners? Your statement (which is typical) seems to be contradictory (sorry – big word hurt head – at odds.)[/COLOR]

My Apologies if…i got a bit chitty! My 2 main questions were if annealed glass was scratching(hypothetically speaking) would Gana be concerned,and…the other being Gana’s sole purpose.

Which seemed to puzzle you at first? Nevertheless…i’ll address the 1st my belief is no they would not be going to the lengths if indeed annealed glass was scratching.As to why quite simple it would be operator error ALL the way!

Not so with heat treated glass,they(Gana) are trying REAL hard to discourage the use of scrapers all together in ANY heat treated glass cleaning period which helps protect the less desirable fabricators.
They have tried numerous “other things” as well,a plastic scraper and Dan had a field day:D with that one,also…using only a #9 single edge blade which now…is even in question.

My 2nd question Gana’s sole purpose is to “Protect” there members nothing more nothing less! Sure the heat treated glass debacle is just 1 of many things Gana is involved with,but…its hotter then a firecracker right now!

With any association or organization sure… they cover a few to many different area’s but…its whats in the “Limelight” that counts right now!

Hopefully…that helps to understand why i posted what i did?