Maybe its time for a new damage waiver with according language if you want to use a razor blade?
How would you word that, you would have to state that you were using methods not condoned by the manufacture and every other organization, and there are alternatives you just cant be bothered to use those as razoring is the easiest and fastest way to remove debris?
Who in their right mind would sign that?
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It hasn’t gone away. Customers set the standard.
I hope you work for GANA. Otherwise the propaganda you are spewing is a
waste of your time.
so you are arguing from laziness then?
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the tin float side is the side that scratches, which if it isn’t FD then that puts the focus on the tin, the manufacturing process, the reaction of the two etc
there is definitely a difference between Old Castle and Andersen tin/float sides that can be bladed or not
most likely this will end up as no blades and go toward protecting the glass from start to final clean finish
the bottleneck is the builders and subs, if there was nothing on the glass in the first place, the wc’ers wouldn’t even be involved
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I would leave the wording up to an attorney. I would tell someone to sign it and explain window cleaners for decades have been using razor blades as an effective and practical way to clean windows. Just my two cents of course I’m obviously going to have to think about this moving forward. Also don’t think razor blades are going anywhere.
and for decades doctors would bleed their patients and say “there is no faster and easier way to cure a patient that to bleed them, doctors have been bleeding patients for decades”
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No, customers request the standard. Manufacturers set the standard for the product they sell. Otherwise we would be running gas and not ethanol mix in our vehicles. I don’t work for GANA and I don’t spew propaganda. I know it is hard to understand, but a company that sells a product does in fact sell it in the best way that works for their profit margin. As long as people are buying it, they will keep selling it. I don’t doubt their manufacture procedures leave debris that is easily scraped off and scratches the surface. The manufacturer has no incentive to do it differently and make a profit. So there is that.
even if glass and blades would stop scratching from here on out, theres the bazillion of pre-existing glass out there
so its an issue that will never go away regardless of what happens
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…Someone who didn’t want to pay the higher price of alternative methods and was willing to take the chance that tempered glass might scratch, because it’s cheaper?
… I wonder why manufacturers don’t offer coating the glass , for a price, to their customers who want it.
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Because most coatings, are only good for 12-24 months then can become adhered to the Glass
I have a reputation of not scratching glass, my subs and employees not so much but they are better than most because I train them. That being said I’ve seen this debate go on long enough and I’m here to tell you you’re all doing it wrong window cleaners!
No seriously. Why does the court case have to come up? I would argue that windows have two primary functions 1) be transparent 2) keep out elements (heat wind dust rain etc). Our job is to clean them, unlike a fancy paint job on a sports car that is supposed to look pretty that’s not what windows are designed for, they are to look through not at.
You wouldn’t allow someone to get mortar or stucco on your Porsche and then sue the poor car wash. Scratches on windows as a result of cleaning construction mess does in no way inhibit the windows primary purpose and function in anyway, therefore I would request the lawsuit dismissed your honor and the cleaning contract paid in full plus my attorneys fees covered by complaintant.
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Just because people been using razors for decades don’t mean much. There’s all kinds of new products that manufacturers are coming up with these days, you can’t just whip out a razor any more man.
Thats like someone wanting to work for you and when you tell him how to do something, he tells you “naw man, you see, we’ve been doing this for decades so…”
He’d have a boot print on his back pockets so quick he wouldn’t know where it came from.
Okay, after reading this I too am the old dog that must learn new tricks. Yeah, I’m the guy that did it this way all these years. Now rethinking…I AM a professional. That being said, part of my thinking came from numerous videos showing folks SCRAPING new construction windows. That means this is bad teaching. Let’s see, 2 minutes to RUB one paint speck off, v. one second to knock off with one inch scraper. Whatever…will improve my game and go chem. But, if all this is true, THEY should stop selling big ol’ scrapers and six inch blades. Which I love by the way.
I actually looked at a company that sells protective film for all kinds of surfaces including glass and trying to sell contractors on having us apply the film immediately after window installation. I received some samples and it works really well. When the glass is ready to be cleaned, you just come back and pull off the film and standard clean.
The process is going to have to change regardless.
There are other companies here they charge $10per square meter to cover the glass, the way I have figured the only way to make good $$ is to use an airless spray gun to apply the film.
Fair points guys. “Effective and Practical” were my points on razor blades. Also will the market accept the price increase for using chemicals? What chemicals do you guys recommend? I would think giving price options for using different methods would still be smart. Most people do not care about the science of cleaning windows. They just want them to look better at a reasonable price. Start talking big numbers bidding on jobs some people will tune you right out.
I think I disagree. Glass fines can be dislodged by other means besides a razor. It may be bonded to the glass but not permanently. It just takes one spec to dislodge with a scrubber and back and forth motion does its deed.
