Advertising = X% of Gross?

What are the ranges of advertising costs in relation to gross that you are comfortable with? My sister has owned a toy store for almost 20 years and she said she frequently hears 5-8% in the toy store industry but she is content to spend in the 3-4% range.

My advertising and marketing is starting at ground zero. The previous owner of the company had no expenditures for advertising and marketing. I made business cards for him and myself (I worked for him for 2 years) but I was the only one who distributed them.

I am leaning strongly towards sponsoring athletics/recreational and wellness programs. I am not sure what the rate of return will be but I do know that it will make me feel good to give back to the community vs. just throwing money at the conventional radio and newspaper media.

Thank you.

I have done anywhere between 8 - 15%

15% is high - I was in super growth mode.

10% is a nice # to play with.

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I think this is a nice idea if you want to contribute to your community or give back. BUT you wonā€™t get much work from it.

If your after work think of methods that are more direct response.

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Very interesting. I probably need to put more research into more direct connections with homeowners and business owners versus planting seeds that might create competition

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Mind Blownā€¦

20%

Super Growth Mode. Day One to Day Dead.

Watched a furniture store go from mom and pop to $25 million per month across three big locations. Not to include their regional mattress line.

I would rather pay out to a business expense than Uncle Sam. Just my thoughts and experience.

Iā€™m a strange bird, I knowā€¦
Iā€™ve never been a ā€œPercentage of Sales Methodā€ guy.
I just donā€™t.

The problem I have with it is what if you have a bad year
(which I realize nobody on this forum ever will,
itā€™s always 2000% growth every single year for the rest of their lives.)

BUT.
Iā€™m more along the lines of a Task method.
Thatā€™s not to say I couldnā€™t tell you what my % of Gross IS.

  • itā€™s just not my main metric
    (I never include ā€œCurrentsā€, they are their own entity and have a separate Retention budget)

Log story short, if Iā€™m down, and I see PWash is the main lagger, I dump the Task money to improve that service.
And more important, IF Iā€™M DOWNā€¦ I donā€™t decrease my spending to correlate with a ā€œPercentage of Sales.ā€

[Iā€™m typing fast, with a cigarette in my hand, so I hope Iā€™m making sense] :blush:

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You always do.

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To YOU.

And THAT should scare you.

Therā€™s got to be a problem with your mind.
ā€œTell me about your childhoodā€¦ā€

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Or maybe you should be scaredā€¦

Birds of a feather flock together.

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Now I AM scared! lol

ā€” thatā€™s the biggest compliment youā€™ve ever given me!
(Iā€™m dead serious!!)

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I am conceptualizing your use of the Task method as a mobile reserve that is used to prevent breaches. I suppose that for the new guys like me we would need somewhat of a baseline established to identify lagging areas. Or perhaps we could use our projected revenues for fuzzy baselines in the early stages.

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I take into consideration ā€˜new guys like you/me/usā€™

Probably more so than anyone else on the forumā€¦ I am that ā€œyou never know guy.ā€

Thatā€™s partially why I donā€™t straight up use a Percent of Sales approach.
What is your affordability? (you donā€™t have to answer, just know it)
That is your budget right now.

It may feel a little like Iā€™m saying ā€œuse it or lose itā€ and maybe I am.
But at least you have a solid number of what you are comfortable with.

If I am playing golf or watching my future kids play sports the last thing I am thinking is who is advertising to me

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This year we have budgeted 1.625316 % of projected sales ( or 2 % ) for those guys that are loose with numbers.
Small budget but effective. Two Mailings a year to Res. only. Two different YP ads. A small 16x16 billboard on a local US highway in our town. And then " non-budget " incidental Items such as a new polo ( w Logo ) goes here.

I DO NOT EVER buy anything that is not in the budget. No football - basketball programs. No stupid benches on the busy corner. No shopping carts. No throw away money stuff. Slow and steady and conservative is what works. And NO NO NO NEVER !! Val-Pak. Got a lighter ? Got a dollar ? that is much more quicker and efficient way to burn money. Just do that and be done with it.

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iā€™ve been in a valpak type mailer here for 3 mailings and itā€™s been awesome! iā€™ve gotten probably 50 customers and maybe $7,000-10,000 from my $750 investment (plus 300 incredit, some of which the salesman gave to others which spreads my name even further)

Iā€™m shooting for 15% this year. Doubled my yelp spend, ad words spend and bing spend so far. I am going to ramp up direct mail from quarterly to monthly. That should do it. I may spend a little on home advisor as well and give it a try.

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I find this interesting.

Nice results. Anyone else have any experience with Valpak in your marketing mix?

I heard at least a few companies just kill it with valpakā€¦

They are on this forum but dont seem to post to often.
I hear it works great for some and not so well for others.