I was curious if Pete solved the issue he was having with the 18" and to find out how he adjusted for them.
I like the 10 and 14, I was thinking of picking up an 18" with my next order.
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Well the way I see it is is meant to be a precision tool, so it should function as so out of the box, if it has to be modified just to work as intended then there is a flaw that would need to be addressed by the manufacture before I was to buy the same tool, I donât see why moermon doesnât just make a different set of clips that had a steeper angle or whatever for the longer channel.
The fact that they also sell a 22", if the 18" is non functional then how would the 22" be?
From my experience as soon as you go over 18" on a slimline channel problems start to occur.
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Iâm still learning to use the 18" and 22" but I use the 14" for the vast majority of my work. I have never modded or put shims in the end clips. I only use Moerman soft rubber (I live in Alaska). I get the best results when I get the glass really really wet.
I will try the foreshortened grip with these longer channels.
Malcolm are you having any issues with the 18 or 22 in hand, if so what are the issues?
Inconsistent control for the top inch or so when Iâm stretching and standing on my tip toes (and too lazy (or energy efficient) to go get the pole). I donât use them very much anyway as they are bulky when in the boab and I donât do very much storefront. For storefront I usually just keep stuff in the 3 gallon bucket.
With Excelerator swivel on the pole at ten degrees I rarely go longer than the 14". I still need lots of reps to improve my ten degree swivel technique.
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The issue here is that when you have any type of swivel / pivotal handle.
Is that once moved off centre you lose the even pressure along the squeegee blade.
More pressure on one end then the other.
Of cause the longer the squeegee blade is more of a problem it is.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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The 18 will work better if the end clips are bent every so slightly more down towards the rubber 
I agree with what your were saying that at 18 inch and over problems can occur but with soap added to washer or glass helps
Iâll give the 18" liquidators a try without changing the end clip angle, if it doesnât perform well, this is what I will doâŚ
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Leave the clips alone. 18 and 22 work fine but only in a fixed handle. I find the Snapper handle excellent for them. As Herman said the problem with them on the current crop of pivot handles is an inability to keep even pressure along the full length of the channel. When using these longer channels while maintaining zero detailing the trick is to slow down and make sure the turns are gentle while maintaining even pressure. You move slower but remove more water. Personally, even though I can, I rarely use the 22⌠the 18 in fixed handle is fine on large glass but a challenge for me in the Excelerator handleâŚand with the Fliq? I find a waste of time.
Donât forget the development time line. Liquidators were developed with fixed handle and as an in hand precision tool. As such they were initially released in 10,14 and 18. A month or so later 12 and 22 were released again to be used in fixed handle⌠and all worked perfectly fine.
For the record the godawful black plastic handle with the shonky manual pivot had been released a year prior to Liquidator and was NEVER intended to be matched to it as the âLiquidator Handleâ.
Excelerator and Fliq came a year later and have only ever been released in 10,14 and 18. In my opinion the 18â is simply too long for the Excelerator and saturated 18â Fliq too heavy and throws the balance off totally, especially if mounted under. If the heavens were lined up my personal pick for sizes would be 10,12,14,16 with Fliq. I made my own 12 Fliq and itâs the most useful size in my kit.
I have a 16â blade cut from an 18 (no Fliq). Donât like it on the Excelerator but works perfectly on my modded Wagtail PC handle.
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That is always my first thought work with the tool as designed.
Thank for sharing @anon35812390 I always appreciate your input!
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Eric why do you find the Snapper handle works well with them, any specific reasons?
Bearing in mind that the one I have is an early release model that was sent for testing and I havenât sighted the production model, minor changes may have happened.
The handle itself, although similar to their standard bi components has had a subtle reshaping that feels absolutely ârightâ in hand. Very hard to explain but it feels solid and your thumb and forefinger rest comfortably but securely at the throat. The new quick release plate holds the channel really well. I use it mainly with my 16â but found that on large glass the 18â is fine alsoâŚthe 22? It works fine as wellâŚalthough the term fine in this case is relative. I think the 22 is simply too long for a slimline channel and as I said above, rarely use it.
The one frustration that I have, as does Bob I believe, is that at a solid 35° (Closer to 40° in overall feel) fixed, the angle is too acute to be useful on smaller domestic deeper frames. Our plea to produce it with a 20-25° fixed angle fell on deaf ears.
Youâd have similar issues with any dog ear at 18. Unger S-plus etc.
This was mentioned in the Hidden Gems S Plus episode. After 14", youâll start to have issues.
I do think that after getting the EXC down you could move on to the 18 but even more soap and water . on. the. pad.
Of course, switch to an 18 Wag and your like, âahhhhâ 
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Itâs more down to the handle Jordie. Excelerator for me seems to max out at 14. I can very comfortably use my modded Wagtail with a 16â or 18â Liquidator. But then my modded Wagtail has had extreme surgery 
Iâm sure youâre right, Eric. I havenât experimented much with it all.
If you watch bobs latest video even he tells you he modâd all his clips, even the small one with more downwards pressure but to get this to work you need to add soap to glass/washer.
So feel free to bend your clips but bend them only a millimetre or two down towards the rubber and it will work provided the solution is thick and slipy
L2 clips yes? My 18 and 22 is the V1. I will definitely bow to the Sensei howeverâ:pray: If he says bend âem then ⌠bend âem 
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Haha! Aye he knows his stuff lol
Thanks for the description of the Snapper handle Eric.
I only use 10 or 14 on a pole both sizes are very effective for the glass I work on.
I was curious about the 18" for hand use, and thank you guys for giving me your opinion on the channels (18-22") Iâm going to pickup the 18" and that should round out my Moerman gear.
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HI. I was a 18" Sorbo, one size fits all guy for decades. But, been using Moerman 10", 14", and 18" Liquidator channels as my go-to in the hand tools for approximately a year now. I also use 18" Excelerator on pivot on the pole quite frequently.
Bear with me please Trad Man. No disrespect is intended for your skill and/or knowledge by the comments below.
First, Facelift Razor Red rubber issues.
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Razor Red rubber has issues in cold weather. Not going to bother with the science behind it. But just know that it streaks in the cold weather full stop. Your in your winter? Correct?
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Second issue with Razor Red rubber is inaccurate manual cutting to fit Liq channels. Just a slight slither extra left on the very end will streak. Iâve done this once or twice, but only until I got my Ronan cutter = end of problem.
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Razor Red rubber has an unusually sticky consistency, and drags on dry glass, and tends to pick up paint flakes and human hair which sticks like glue to the rubber (just a weird peculiarity).
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On the flip side, Razor Red is bullet proof. It can be hammered on ruff surfaces and jammed into any edging and still survive.
So when itâs cold, what do I do?
I change my Razor Red Liq channels out, for Moerman factory rubber (have a set ready in my van at all times). I only use Razor Red in warm weather. Note: âwarmâ, not hot. Here in New Zealand we just had a heat wave for a whole month (almost unbearable). But Razor Red is usable comfortably anywhere between (approx) 15 and 25 degrees Celsius, without hassles.
I do mainly Domestic window cleaning (1-2 storey houses) so when ever there is a really big pane, I use my 18" with Moerman rubber normally. Simply doesnât get used no where near as much as the 14". Iâd love a 16" Liq channel, but I canât bring myself to cut a channel, just in case I muff it. Just avoid dragging the tips over the dry glass, use the correct (Polzn approved) âworking solutionâ (i.e. lotâs of dishwash concentrate).
I do use the 18" on an Excelerator on big panels up high, but again, only with Moerman rubber. The 14" with Razor Red is my go to for on the pole (Moerman just burns out to fast). Donât have a 10" Fliq for Excelerator yet. Will get one one day.
As Polzn points out, the key is to use the right squeegee size for each pain of glass. I was a Sorbo 18" one size fits all man for years, then I discovered this forum, and YouTube videos (like your own) and tried all sorts of squeegee sizes = vast improvement in speed, efficiency, quality.
14" Liq, at 25% is my go to in the hand. Polznâs advice to just stand back a little bit from the glass at 25% in the hand makes a big difference as well.
Iâm find myself using those angles on the Excelerator handle (40% for above head, 25% in front, 10% for deep sill close outs) all the time now. Constantly all day long. I donât bother with any other handle (for fixed blades in the hand) any more (except maybe Contor Pro+ fixed at 90% for directly over head on skylights). Mainly just the 14" and 18" Liqâs in my Pulex BOAB all the time.
After all that ranting, just use the Moerman rubber on a fixed handle in the hand with the 18" Liq. That really is the simplest solution.
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