Correct. Of course they don’t. I didn’t say they did.
Are CNER poles good quality?
They make Gardiner, some XERO poles, Tucker plus many others…
According to Mr. Gardiner, Gardiner poles are made in a factory that doesn’t supply cf to any other company…
I think Mr. Gardiner makes a very fine line of Water Fed Poles. He’s had many innovations and makes great products one of the best you can get.
I do however own an example here of almost every water fed pole in the world. I take meticulous measurements of all poles so I can be educated about the market.
I could be completely mistaken though.
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I guess the only real option is to take Gardiner at his word. The alternative is to say he’s lying about who makes his poles. Not that it matters to me - like you said, he makes a fine product.
Exactly - Ive always known him to be a straight shooter.
CNER is a great manufacturer of carbon fiber tubes.
They make our tubes.
We make our poles from those tubes.
Shawn Gavin
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Chris and Shawn have answered that question for you and they’re the guys putting the money where their mouths are. I’ve had a play with a couple of examples over here and the full carbon and above models seem excellent. I’m also keen to see their new 3rd Gen Clamps once they hit the market. As an aside I made the same comment about Gardiner on a UK forum and was chastised roundly by Alex who repeated the ‘small private’ factory line 
So who knows 
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Gardiner on left
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It looks to be the most rigid.Lol
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SimPole has used 6 different China Factories. We do not use CNER ,
The key is really the wall thickness and hi mod 63 msi carbon fiber with either
3/k or Kevlar. We have made sims from 2007 and that makes us ones of the oldest
manufacturer in this changing market. You can check out the long lasting sim1pole here
at WCR
I’m sure this will come across poorly but…
If Simpole is one of the oldest why is is least known about?
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Because the key is vendors selling the poles and I have been mainly direct sales.
Now many are selling direct and i’m doing my best to sell with vendors.
Further processing can yield even higher stiffness fibers by making the fibers smaller and a little denser. These are fairly expensive, brittle and used sparingly. They are known as High Modulus fiber and are in the range of 55 MSI and higher. Many companies refer to 33 and 42 MSI fiber as “High Modulus” because they can’t get sued for false advertising by using this informal term. To understand the real grade of carbon fiber one needs to know the modulus of the fiber.
Fibers are bundled in various sizes designated in thousands (K) of fibers. 1K, 3K, 6K, 12K, 24K, 50K and others are common bundle sizes. These fibers are woven into fabric with various weave patterns. 3K fabric is most common. The various types of fiber will have the same “K” designation to indicate the number of fibers in the bundle. These numbers describe the size of the bundle used and have little to do with the quality of the fiber itself.
High modulus and ultra-high modulus fibers are sometimes called pitch fiber. Pitch fiber starts as a different raw material than standard or intermediate modulus fibers and uses a different manufacturing process. High modulus carbon fiber has a rating of at least 42 MSI while, ultra-high modulus is rated beginning at 65 MSI.
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I think I learned more reading this post than I’ve known for the last 14 years!
Wow.
Anyhow, as for the tariffs; all I know is that some of the sites I get goods from like alibaba or geek etc…refuse to even ship to the USA now
You, mean when you sold for SimPole you did not learn how I designed poles? Its good that you understand now John. I have learned a lot to in the last 20 years and you have experienced the many designs I have made " fishing pole to SimPole " Many others have learned too and now its time to teach the buyers what is inside the poles we sell! KIXQ5799|281x500 Also why we used 63 msi in all SimPoles you can buy here at wcr! "Why you do not want HI MODULUS RATING: of 42 MSI or even 55 msi but ** 63 Ms **i with either kevlar or 3k on the outside!
The unique properties of HexTow® HM63 fiber, such as higher tensile strength and modulus, as well as shear
and compressive strength, allow structural designers to achieve both higher safety margins for both stiffness and
strength critical applications.
Typical Fiber Properties U.S. Units SI Units
Tensile Strength 630 ksi 4,344 MPa
Tensile Modulus (Chord 6000-1000) 64.0 Msi 441 GPa
Tensile Modulus (Tangent 1/2 Load) 66.0 Msi 455 GPa
Ultimate Elongation at Failure 1.0% 1.0%
Density 0.0661 lb/in3 1.83 g/cm3
Weight/Length (12K) 23.5 x 10-6 lb/in 0.42 g/m
Approximate Yield (12K) 3,561 ft/lb 2.39 m/g
Tow Cross-Sectional Area (12K) 3.54 x 10-4 in2 0.23 mm2
Filament Diameter 0.194 mil 4.9 microns
Carbon Content 99%
