Scour Power

[mosty]

@buddyo

I am in similar country as you but here the pulex micro tiger is referred to as a pulex micro PUSSYcat. Not aggressive enough without over soaking and over scrubbing. You may want to try a couple of the diff sewn on abrasive strip sleeves. Scrubbing power is great but water retention is terrible. The porcupine is a happy medium but still less than ideal. My fav is still the blue max or blue grass depending where you bought it when it was still available.

Yeah the microtiger is good for maintenance cleans. Not usually enough for first time cleans. I bought a porcupine, good scrubbing, poor water retention, and to top it all off I left it on a job on the first day and have not seen it since

[HE_MAN]

@whatapane

Ok so Cleaning is a very broad term. Restoration could technically be defined as cleaning under the strict definition of the word, and vise versa. As far as window cleaning techniques and procedures go there is a distinct difference in my book between cleaning with a soap to that can be handled with your bear hands and using a corrosive acid requiring extra precautions and procedures.

One restore is designed to remove staining from several building surfaces including glass. CC 550 Is specifically designed as a glass clearing agent. It is not designed for other surfaces as far as I know. CC 550 will remove some stains on glass One Restore cannot, because One restore is not designed to be used just on glass. The reason One restore is effective at removing stains on glass is because it contains Hydrochloric acid, as does CC 550. CC 550 Also contains Hydrofluoric Acid. My guess as to why One restore does not contain Hydrofluoric acid is because that type of acid may be harmfull to some of the other surfsces One restore was also designed to be used on (pure speculation). None the less the acid contained in both products is highly toxic and corrosive, which is why the safety label on both products instructs you to wear chemical resistant rubber gloves and a proper breathing mask.

Even though Eaco Chem uses the term “cleaning” on their website as a use for their product they are refering to the restoration value of the product. In other words the terms restoration and cleaning are being used interchangeably. The products is designed to “restore” or “clean” building surfaces other soaps that don’t contain acids can’t.

One restore and CC 550 Are designed to attack contaminants on the surface in a different or more intense way than soaps. both products can be classified as a cleaner under the strict definition of the word however they are not intended to work the same as regular window cleaning soaps and therefor in my opinion cannot be classified the same as when cleaning when regular soaps.

In my business I use the term cleaning to define using regular window cleaning soaps along with traditional tools and equipment (t-Bar, brush, wool, razor, squeegee) to remove dirt and debris from the glass and restore the glass to its original clarity. I use the term Restoration to refer to glass that cannot be brought to original clarity using these methods, But rather require more aggressive chemicals, Tools, and procedures (Acids, safety goggles, rubber gloves, polishing compounds, mechanical polishing equipment). As there is a a lot more involved with the later I feel it is necessary to draw a clear distinction between the two. Whether the terms I use to describe the two are the correct terms according to their strict definitions or not I can’t say for certain but the important point is that there is a distinction.

Yes you brought up a good point one restore can be used on glass at full strength, it is possible on heavy calcium mineral stains used properly.
If this does not work then you use CC550.
One Restore can be diluted, used as a general cleaner.

But since you have used these products already you already knew that.

This is a quote from EaCo Chem.

OneRestore® is a commercial grade restoration detergent and stain remover, with a wide range of applications and substrate.

Hard Water Stains
generally white or black in appearance; typically found near a water source, such as sprinkler systems or downspouts

Substrates
glass, brick, block, concrete, siding
Products Used
OneRestore

detergent [di túrjənt]
n (plural detergents)
cleansing substance: a cleansing substance, especially a synthetic liquid that dissolves dirt and oil

[anon61938349]

these days i dont clean many First Time cleans,but the other year i found that this balcony floor mop,cut up ,made an excellent scrubber sleeve . it is sold in LIDL stores

has quite vicious plastic hairs mixed into it ,but i used it for ages on all manner of windows and no scratches. it didnt hold much water,but you could add a strip of sponge behind it probably

[whatapane]

@HE MAN

Yes you brought up a good point one restore can be used on glass at full strength, it is possible on heavy calcium mineral stains used properly.
If this does not work then you use CC550.
One Restore can be diluted, used as a general cleaner.

But since you have used these products already you already knew that.

This is a quote from EaCo Chem.

OneRestore® is a commercial grade restoration detergent and stain remover, with a wide range of applications and substrate.

Hard Water Stains
generally white or black in appearance; typically found near a water source, such as sprinkler systems or downspouts

Substrates
glass, brick, block, concrete, siding
Products Used
OneRestore

detergent [di túrjənt]
n (plural detergents)
cleansing substance: a cleansing substance, especially a synthetic liquid that dissolves dirt and oil

One restore is not a general purpose cleaner in the sense of say 409. It is a general purpose cleaner in the context of cleaning and restoring building substrates, in the fact that it can be used to clean multiple types surfaces. The product has to be rinsed form the surface after it is applied. It cannot be squeegeed off or left on any surface. Even diluted you have to use they same safety procedures of using gloves, goggles and respirator. They call it a detergent but there are different classifications of detergents.

Quote from Eaco Chems Literature

"OneRestore Requires a Water Rinse
As a professional-grade window and multi-surface restoration product, SafeRestore contains a high level of proprietary components that include solvents,
acids and soaps. This blend enables it to perform in situations that require
industrial-strength cleaning capabilities. As with any powerful restoration product, care must be taken to use it as directed.
Since OneRestore is a water-based product, the water portion of the blend
will evaporate quickly on hot surfaces. This will leave the highly concentrated
chemical behind.
OneRestore’s high concentration of soaps must be thoroughly rinsed with
water from any surface it is used upon. It is not designed to be wiped or squeegeed off the surface without a water rinse.
• Do not use on surface-applied tints. OneRestore is not designed to be used
on metal oxide film that has been applied to any glass surfaces.
• Limit direct contact with plants.
• Not appropriate for polished marble, surface-dyed substrates, brass, copper,
or bronze

Because One restore contains acids, even diluted it must be handled with precautions. If safe restore is being used to clean windows, diluted or not, and is not being rinsed off the windows and the surrounding surfaces it is not being used as directed by the manufacturer. Safe restore can also react with some glass surfaces and precautions need to be taken. For these reasons One restore should not be placed in the category of a general purpose cleaner in the sense of its level of aggressiveness and the manner in which it is applied and used.

One restore contains solvents and soaps soaps so it is a cleaner but it contains acids so it is also a restoration and stain removing agent and that is what makes it different than just a soap or a solvent used for general purpose cleaning.

[diamondridge]

Where does it say you need a respirator?

[whatapane]

@diamondridge

Where does it say you need a respirator?

maybe I am confusing it with another product as far as the respirator goes. Maybe I was just thinking respirator because when using stronger chemicals the fumes can be pretty nauseating. I have not worked with One restore as much as CC 550, so I am not as used to the details of the safety precautions. I do know that they tell you to wear goggles and gloves. I don’t think that negates my entire point?
My point was not weather or not you have to use a respirator but rather the fact that you need to take safety precautions along with handling and using the product in a different way than a basic soap. Which puts it in a different category.

[diamondridge]

I think the gloves/googles are mainly if you’re spraying it on. I use a dedicated strip washer on a pole, and rinse with a garden hose sprayer. No respirator, googles or gloves

[whatapane]

@diamondridge

I think the gloves/googles are mainly if you’re spraying it on. I use a dedicated strip washer on a pole, and rinse with a garden hose sprayer. No respirator, googles or gloves

the goggles and gloves are for any type of application. I would think a garden sprayer would not produce enough volume of water to rinse off the chemical on the glass and surrounding surface. Just my take. That’s still less efficient then using wool.

[HE_MAN]

Every one has there way of doing things and works for them as for you.
But it’s trying to find the best and fastest way to do the job at hand.
Without damaging the glass itself.

Sure both One Restore and CC550 can be dangerous chemicals.
You handle these with respect and use PPE accordingly.

If you feel that these chemicals are not for you that’s ok.

Oh in reference to rinsing one restore off.
Get my scrubber saturate it with my normal cleaning solution, scrub then squeegee off.
This is how I do first cleans on windows and shower glass have been for over three years.

[whatapane]

@HE MAN

Every one has there way of doing things and works for them as for you.
But it’s trying to find the best and fastest way to do the job at hand.
Without damaging the glass itself.

Sure both One Restore and CC550 can be dangerous chemicals.
You handle these with respect and use PPE accordingly.

Its not a matter of doing what works for either me or you, its a matter of using a chemical the way it was designed and according to the manufacturers directions.

If you feel that these chemicals are not for you that’s ok.

I did not say these chemicals are not for me. I stated the opposite. I use both chemicals, CC 550 more than One restore. I just use them for their intended purpose. Why not wash your shower with One restore every week, I’m sure it would come clean. Maybe you do. Because there are other products that are more practical without the need for safety precautions. The same goes for removing dirt from glass regular soap and wool will remove it quicker and without the risk of harsh acids. I use CC 550 and One restore for its intended use “restoration”.

Oh in reference to rinsing one restore off.
Get my scrubber saturate it with my normal cleaning solution, scrub then squeegee off.
This is how I do first cleans on windows and shower glass have been for over three years.

Just because you have been doing something for years doesn’t mean its the right way.

I appreciate your contributions on this forum. I enjoy your creativity, I think it is a great asset. On this one I think your stepping out of bounds. But I still love ya!

[HE_MAN]

@whatapane

Just because you have been doing something for years doesn’t mean its the right way.

I appreciate your contributions on this forum. I enjoy your creativity, I think it is a great asset. On this one I think your stepping out of bounds. But I still love ya!

Yes I do agree there are other ways of achieving the same results.

But there are certainly many different ways of doing windows, different glass also.

Some times you have look out side the box to do certain things.
You will never know unless you try.

It is good to see that we are all contributing to this forum to help people in this industry that are starting out.
Any input is good.

Also appreciate your contribution to this forum along with every one else.

[Merv]

@jonnyald

these days i dont clean many First Time cleans,but the other year i found that this balcony floor mop,cut up ,made an excellent scrubber sleeve . it is sold in LIDL stores

has quite vicious plastic hairs mixed into it ,but i used it for ages on all manner of windows and no scratches. it didnt hold much water,but you could add a strip of sponge behind it probably

Do you use the sleeve with the original handle? Have you tried cutting it down and using it some other way?
Thanks

[anon61938349]

@Merv

Do you use the sleeve with the original handle? Have you tried cutting it down and using it some other way?
Thanks

i cut it down and then stitched it to fit a 14 inch T-bar size . im thinking it might work well on its original handle ,if you were cleaning big plate glass .
i used it as my main scrubber most every day for about 6 months while i was building up my business,on First cleans. At the end of that time the material was still like new,the material/fibres are very tough,whatever sewing machine made it must be using Tungsten steel needles/cutters .

[Merv]

@jonnyald

i cut it down and then stitched it to fit a 14 inch T-bar size . im thinking it might work well on its original handle ,if you were cleaning big plate glass .
i used it as my main scrubber most every day for about 6 months while i was building up my business,on First cleans. At the end of that time the material was still like new,the material/fibres are very tough,whatever sewing machine made it must be using Tungsten steel needles/cutters .

Thanks. It might come in handy for something.

[Merv]

@jonnyald

i cut it down and then stitched it to fit a 14 inch T-bar size . im thinking it might work well on its original handle ,if you were cleaning big plate glass .
i used it as my main scrubber most every day for about 6 months while i was building up my business,on First cleans. At the end of that time the material was still like new,the material/fibres are very tough,whatever sewing machine made it must be using Tungsten steel needles/cutters .

I think we should have a swivel washer with a flat design like the floor scrubber you are talking about.
Why do we have these fat round tubular washers? If they were flat they would easily fit under door handles
and would be lighter and more easy to manipulate on a pole.

[mistersqueegee]

Merv, if the t-bars were flat you couldn’t adjust the different angles we clean glass at as easily. The round shape lets us keep the washer on the glass at every angle we work at automatically

[Merv]

@mistersqueegee

Merv, if the t-bars were flat you couldn’t adjust the different angles we clean glass at as easily. The round shape lets us keep the washer on the glass at every angle we work at automatically

Check out the new microfiber floor scrubbers they are selling everywhere including Sams Club and Walmart.
They swivel both ways and are totally flat. If we could make a strong swivel like that, we would have the best
swivel washer ever made.

[michaelmole]

@whatapane

Blades don’t work well here in Texas on Dirt build up. On most first time cleans you have to use an abrasive on the glass to break up the backed on dirt. Either steel/bronze wool, or the synthetic white pads. The wool works better. Hogs hair brush can work well as well but not as practical. I’ve only cleaned windows in Texas so I can’t speak for other areas. The heat really bakes the dirt on the glass. I only use blades to remove the stuff wool does not efficiently remove like paint over spray, seeds some bug stuff etc.

So apparently Texas (and now, specifically Dallas) is the most difficult state (city) to clean windows in on the planet?

Hope you guys are making good money out there to bronze wool, white pad, razor, wash, squeegee and detail each pane of glass.

Wow.

[michaelmole]

@whatapane

Ok so Cleaning is a very broad term. Restoration could technically be defined as cleaning under the strict definition of the word, and vise versa.

Even though Eaco Chem uses the term “cleaning” on their website as a use for their product they are refering to the restoration value of the product.

You state the need for respirator, etc, which they do not clearly outline. And then where they clearly say “cleaning” you say they mean “restoration.”

How do you know what Eaco Chem meant on their website?

[HE_MAN]

This is off the Material Safety Data Sheet for One Restore
SECTION: 7 CONTROL MEASURES
Respiratory Protection: None needed if exposure limits are not exceeded.
Ventilation: Local exhaust to maintain the TLV.
Protective Gloves: Yes
Protective Goggles: Yes
Work/Hygiene Practices: Gloves & goggles. Wash clothing before reuse. Keep off
skin and clothing