I apologize for the angst. I know the liquidator complaints have been done to death. It just really, really irritates me that such glaring flaws (and these ARE flaws) evaded detection during the design and testing phase.
This is not user error. The darn thing simply doesn’t work right. To the best of my knowledge, no other squeegee in the history of mankind has required so much persuasion just to exhibit the most basic level of usability.
which handle does this happen with?
moerman std 25 degree?
excelerator? if yes, which angle?
How much hangliding do you do when finishing out? The more the better.
All of them. The moerman bi-component is easiest to get the results I want, but still requires some “leaning” to exert pressure on the detail edge and keep things clean.
The excelerator is toughest to get what I want. 25° is a total fail. 40° is better. Neither will work with a feather touch. I have to really push to eliminate the streaks.
On a wide window I slice the edges and top first, then use shallow fanning down the center “mountain”. On narrower windows I will cut in the top and just hang glide back and forth the rest of the way down.
What rubber are you using?
Isn’t this fun?
Genuine Moerman.
You sound like me 2 weeks ago.
Yeah, its not all use error. I’ll think on it.
hmmm. there should not be any difference at all between the different angles of the exelerator. the change in angle does not effect the channel itself, but it does effect the angle of the channel IF you do not adjust your handle heel to glass difference.
if there is a difference between the angles it must mean your heel to glass angle is incorrect.
In the meantime, I’ve gone back to brass. I can get the detailing down to zero with far less hassle and an extra 3-5 seconds squeegee time on each pane.
my ass is brass
The change in angle makes it harder for me to exert the pressure necessary to eliminate streaks. With the 40° setting, I can choke up on the handle and force the channel to comply. With the 25° setting I have to alter my grip and my wrist gets kinked
I wish I knew what advice to give. I went out and did a monthly this afternoon that I didn’t get to on Friday and my squeegee (14" liqudator 2.0 channel in my excelerator handle in fixed mode at 25 degrees) was like magic. I was actually sad when it was over. All I had to do was wipe the water off the sills.
well definitely too much pressure required.
Hey Sam, after I shaved that elevated bump of plastic off my end clips, I put in a little cut piece of paper clip (like Bob showed in his video response to mine), and it straightened out the rubber on the ends so it works as intended. Keep in mind I did both shaving the plastic bump and the paper cip bit, and only then did it solve my issues. I now use my modified Liquidator 2.0 channel in a Wagtail PC handle I modified to accept it, and it’s my go-to tool for pole work. The fixed presentation angle in the jaw of the Excelerator handle flat out sucks.
I feel your frustration. I even ordered a stock Liquidator 2.0 channel and tried only the paperclips, stock moerman rubber, GG4 + Dawn + GG Glide, etc… - still doesn’t blade evenly. I made a video which showed a noticeable change (for the better) in performance, but I apparently “mangled” the ends and didn’t know what I was talking about; meanwhile I can walk out to my garage with a standard aluminum channel, cut and literally beat it with a ball-peen hammer, and get far better performance from that than any stock liquidator 1 or 2 channel… ya there’s a design issue. I’ve since taken my video down because I’ve lost interest in presenting solutions for problems many simply wont admit even exist.
Samuel…dude… ties or retention pinning? Feather touch, perfect cut BUT ties out? Exerting heavy pressure and lines? BUT you don’t want to use ties? Whew you really do seem to enjoy pain 
Darn right I don’t haha.
Moerman never said anything about paper clips or zip ties when I bought it. Moerman never said I had to use their rubber. If I have to fiddle and modify this tool to make it work, then it’s no better than anything else.
And they never will because it is not part of the design BUT it fine tunes the performance … on both V1 and V2 clips. The issue with the v2 clips is that although the rubber is held snugly if it does move in the clip it won’t reset, causing uneven stretch or bunching in the rubber which results in the lines you’re getting. No tool is perfect for everyone and generally benefit from tweaks to a greater or lesser degree. When I was trained with Ettore Brass many years ago I was shown how to cut, stretch and pin the rubber ‘just so’. This was not as Ettore supplied… rest assured future releases of Liquidator/Excelerator will continue to be fine tuned BUT neither has glaring faults.
If this comes across as harsh, please forgive me. You have been nothing but polite and helpful in all the time we have been acquainted on this forum. But I have to take issue with so much of that last post.
As designed, the liquidator 2.0 does not perform to an acceptable standard in too many instances to be ignored. Modifying a tool to perform at the minimum acceptable standard so that it does not leave windows a complete disaster is not what I would call “fine tuning”.
So there IS an issue. And it is intrinsic to the design. And the only way to fix it is to add or subtract something.
I was never trained to load a rubber in a brass squeegee, yet somehow they work for me every time I use them. Even as supplied by Ettore I can attest they work perfectly well.
If the tool doesn’t work as shipped, then I would define that as a glaring fault. It’s not that it just needs a little help to achieve its maximum potential, it’s that without fiddling and modification this tool leaves windows looking awful.
I’ve been fully comitted to making these tools work since I got them, right after they came out. They still do not work as advertised without a ton of changes to the factory form. And even with some mods and a few months experience they are still capable of causing immense frustration and fail to deliver as promised. I know enough now that I can make it work, but I’m getting fed up because I truly believe I shouldn’t have to. And my heart goes out to all the poor saps who ordered one without the benefit of a forum membership to get all these problems ironed out.
Poor Bob Hat: He took his original idea to Moerman and they changed it. I bet they think they improved it. lol
The original Bob Hat modified squeegee works great!
Hang gliding is inefficient. The liquidator is the problem. Normal fanning or straight pulls should work with any professional channel. If it does not work right, its not worth using. I stopped using the Liquidator because you the tips of the rubber burning out fast.
The LQ process is 3 fold.
Right now we are dealing with number 1. Efficiency comes later.
