Canadian Optimism about Window Cleaning


#1

I’ve noticed something over my last year or so of trolling on the forums.

Canadian window cleaners seem to have far more optimism about window cleaning. They seem like they can pull of higher pricing, seem to feel that the market is a growing market not a saturated one. And the market here seems to not have as many established national service companies. Fish certainly doesn’t exist here and there seems to be not many dominating companies.

The Canadian guys here seem upbeat about cleaning, don’t complain as much about lowballing, and have more ideas about growth and such.

In addition all of us here have a fair share of storefront cleaning, whereas many Americans have extremely negative view of it, and have little or none of it.

What causes such pessimism south of the border?


#2

Don’t look at me – I’m too preoccupied with the acid rain problem in Eastern Canada to even think about being pessimistic about anything to do with WC’ing.


#3

Mike, us Canadians usually have storefront and residential because we need it to survive winter. Few are the companies that only service residential, unless they are in warmer areas of the country like the GTA (liberty window cleaning i think does only residential?). I think we have fewer competition compared to our southerly neighbors.


#4

Where do you get your facts from? Acid rain as an environmental concern has been greatly diminshed. That is due to some treaties being signed to reduce pollutants between Canada and the US. And level of certain pollutants being reduced. Besides half the pollution that comes into southern Ontario comes from coal power plants in the midwestern USA. Pollution knows no boundaries.

It would be more accurate to say that global warming, air pollution, smog, urban sprawl and the loss of precious farmland to new subdivisions are the pressing environmental concerns that Torontonians are concerned about.

Anyway, let’s stay on topic, what causes the pessimism, perhaps some of the American friends have some insights?


#5

It seems as though you switched the topic from Canadian optimism to American pessimism, yes?

BTW, I didn’t say my (pretend) worry was based upon facts. And, I’m not sure that you have facts with regard to pessimism.


#6

He never did claim to have facts with regard to pessimism, after all he used the words seem and seems 6 times in his first post.

As far as the storefronts go I think Crazy is right, there are many locations in the U.S. that suport year round residentials, so storefronts aren’t nessasary, and the pay with residentials is better.

All the rest of the points (Lowballers, pulling higher prices, National companies) are all connected together, saturated markets which result in more competition. I don’t think that Americans are pessimistic about such thing but discussing how to best deal with the reality of the situations. Some maybe pessimistic, other times it maybe hard to communcate true emotion over a forum. Example: Laczko’s fear of acid rain, was meant to express (pretend), but was not communicated that way. Not the fault of the writer or the reader, just the limitation of the written forum.


#7

You’re observations are interesting, Mike. I’d never stopped to think about a possible difference in optimism…

Regarding saturated markets, I had one of the guys who works for me assemble a list over a few hours last week, using various online sources only, of the number of window cleaning companies in the Greater Toronto area that are openly conducting business as our competitors.

So far, we’re at 440 and counting. So, we certainly don’t have a promised land of negligible competition, or anything like that.

And this number only applies to the Toronto area, not businesses as close as half an hour away, in connected large centers.

Interesting research tidbit!


#8

I used the term facts due Mike’s follow-up statement (’"[I]Anyway, let’s stay on topic, what causes the pessimism, perhaps some of the American friends have some insights?[/I]"), not anything to do with his initial post.

Perhaps a limitation did affect that post…

I would have thought everyone would have taken my (off-the-wall) acid rain remark exactly as I intended – it was a joke.