Well I know its not that simple, I’m not going to argue with you since I am in a different country and you could not possibly know the particular laws regarding here.
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Windowdude - You are incorrect about this ! I guess I am not saying this to convince you as much as to make certain that anyone considering using your criteria to determine a sub vs and employee and then implementing it, very well could be setting themselves up for a major legal and financial mess and are operating in an area of high risk. The rule IS NOT about who is driving where.
Again, the IRS guidelines are clearly defined in the link ( IRS Dept. of Treasury ) from my previous post not in an e-book. The Guidelines are clear and specific and the law. Again - I say - Just because you think they are a sub, or its financially convenient ( saves you money on paying taxes ), or any other reason - Doesn’t make it so.
Umm, yeah, stop trolling, please.
The IRS requirements for sub contractor vs. employee are so easy to find I’m not even going to bother linking an article.
Many companies may skirt the rules, but that doesn’t make it right or legal.
Yes, they all do have their own insurance. I dont get how you do not get this or what city you are located in but this is how a lot of companies do business. They drive to the job them self and have their own tools. Most guys share ladders. We go through HOAs completing neighborhoods in 1 day can be 3-5 guys working. If one guy has a job he puts out a email and we will show up as his company wearing his shirts but we are all subs. Im not full of shit this is how business works here. Why would you employ numerous guys every day we start at 0$ we are not some huge company who has a budget to start the year off with 5 million dollars and sally gets 40k per year , tim gets 35k per year. And then we accept a huge liability of employing someone. Its to expensive to hold employees.
Also then you do not need workers comp which in my state can cost up to 6k per person. Since we are all individual owners of our companys we do not need it.v If any one questions that you then offer to sign " hold harmless " agreements. You seem to be stuck in your ways but if you just listen there are ways around all of the high costs you are apying. You should have your top guy start his own company , he subs all work through you and you give him percentages of the jobs and he still wears your shirts. Then you can test that as a experiment of what i am doing. You will save more money and have less paper work just one 1099 form.
Yes, they all do have their own insurance. I dont get how you do not get this or what city you are located in but this is how a lot of companies do business. They drive to the job them self and have their own tools. Most guys share ladders. We go through HOAs completing neighborhoods in 1 day can be 3-5 guys working. If one guy has a job he puts out a email and we will show up as his company wearing his shirts but we are all subs. Im not full of shit this is how business works here. Why would you employ numerous guys every day we start at 0$ we are not some huge company who has a budget to start the year off with 5 million dollars and sally gets 40k per year , tim gets 35k per year. And then we accept a huge liability of employing someone. Its to expensive to hold employees.
Also then you do not need workers comp which in my state can cost up to 6k per person. Since we are all individual owners of our companys we do not need it.v If any one questions that you then offer to sign " hold harmless " agreements. You seem to be stuck in your ways but if you just listen there are ways around all of the high costs you are apying. You should have your top guy start his own company , he subs all work through you and you give him percentages of the jobs and he still wears your shirts. Then you can test that as a experiment of what i am doing. You will save more money and have less paper work just one 1099 form.
Now your just seriously trolling.
Copying the same reply to a different person in the same thread immediately after the prior identical post.
Did you even read what I wrote?
1099 is not a thing here
What part of
did you fail to comprehend?
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Seriously? 
You expect us to believe you are serious about running a company and you and 4 or 5 of your friends gang up together, doing each others work?
That’s literally the stupidest business plan I have ever heard.
Do you all hobo on trains together too? 
Im not trollin i cant believe you have no clue what i am talking about. So in your city im not sure what cable service provider you have but have you heard of Cox communications. Well over here there are guys who drive vehicles lettered up with " COX " logos. They are all sub contractors who work for cox but also were Cox communications shirts. They will run the wire from your nearest telephone pole to your home and they show up and say they work for Cox, they represent Cox communications and can even be fired if they violate company policy. Well those individuals are non employees but are sub contractors. If you asked them to run a cable from say your home to they would not unless you set that install up with Cox communications. So you call cox and boom they send their " GUY " out who works for them but exclusively for them. They dont hook up other shit for you unless its for Cox.
Well this info i am trying to tell you all started about arguing over giving employees lunch breaks. Then guys started saying its illegal and blah blah so i explained how they are subs but work for me so we argued if they are subs or employees and if its legal. Well yes this is legal and they are not your employee if they are 1099 and drive themself to each job. This is a cheaper way and LEGAL way of hiring someone with less liability and costs. If you are not doing this i do not know where you all been and pry is why you only gross 50k a year.v
Thank you - Russell
Im new to this page but if you have time to sit here and bash people you pry are not making money sorry for that. Im just spreading info i know and how business is ran where i am from . I do many high rise accounts and homes mainly alone. Ive also worked up to 46 stories for years. I dont know how experienced you are but you pry this 6ft ladder work is high rise buddy.
alot of companies here are structured the way your speaking of also.
not little companies either big ones
we will see more of it as minimum wage goes up. heard even walmart was considering laying off all night stockers and “subbing” those responsibilities out
No where have I ever claimed to do high rise. Much less do I care to do it.
I am happy with the money I make, you aren’t hearing me complain about that either.
I also don’t need to work with several other window cleaners, because I need the money so bad. The only reason a owner of a window cleaning company would gang up with other “owners” is because they can’t get enough business on their own to keep cashflow.
I, as a business owner, have no desire, much less a reason, to sub for another window cleaner, for a pittance. If 40% of gross is labor, and 60% are expenses, how is the “sub” supposed to make money? You the owner want a cut, don’t you? Why would I as a “sub” want to work for what I can make in a day job?
Yep, and Cox has been sued successfully in the past for back wages. FedEx is another company that has paid out huge sums due to worker misclassification. Lots of companies are skirting the laws; that doesn’t make it legal or ethical.
What you do with your buddies who also have businesses, most likely is legal, since you all do have your own companies and customers, and have control over your profit/loss, and how you perform the job.
But most people on this board who are trying to hire, do not want that type of arrangement. They want someone to come in to work on set days, at a set time, to wear their uniforms and perform a task to their specifications. Such a worker is not a sub contractor, no matter what giant, soulless corporations may argue.
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So today I and my 2 employees will start the day at a house. We will go to a second house with an approximate drive of 40 minutes in between. I drive. Their pay starts when we all depart from our meeting spot and ends when we depart for the day. Are some of you guys saying that I can’t consider the 40 minute drive or whatever it happens to be, break time where they can eat their lunches? Do I actually have to stop another time and allow them more?
If we have a large job that goes into the afternoon, then we/they take a 30 minute lunch break paid. Is this all wrong?
I think it just depends. Lunch time/break time is their time, ideally. Time to rest, make phone calls, do an errand if they can. If they are in a van with you, they can’t do either. I’m solo but I still try to take a moment to sit and eat a bite. Doing everything on the go is fatiguing after a while
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Labor requirements vary from state to state. In Alaska, the Department of Labor has very specific language for breaks. The best solution is to check with the Department of Labor in your state.
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yea tough too hold a tech too our methods of madness
az doesn’t require employers provide breaks or lunch break. its just not a good practice and you wont have satisfied workers
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Doesn’t make a difference when guys are paid commission. They are more motivated to eat while theyre working because they make more money.
